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02-03-2005, 01:12 AM
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Forerunners
I think the Forerunners ought to show up in Halo 3. It's perfectly plausible that they suffered some dissent among their own ranks when they were preparing to wipe themselves out in an effort to exterminate the Flood. That dissent would have led to a renegade Forerunner faction fleeing the kill zone and hiding out between the stars, hoping to never be found again-- by anyone.
Of course, when the first Halo goes nova, it somehow catches their attention. Likewise with the events in the second game. Massive swaths of space coated in the debris of something with the signature of their weapons.
They decide-- after about 900,000 years of hiding, that they're curious about the goings on.
Who knows? Maybe they decide to just wipe out everyone involved-- humans and Covenant alike-- in the name of Galactic Safety and then return to the interstellar void. Maybe they use agents to plant information on both sides, somehow convincing every last shred of Covenant out there that they need to get to Earthspace for some reason to prevent Humanity from doing something... thereby getting us all in one spot at one time, i.e., Earth, whereupon the Forerunners could transport-- teleport-- whatever-- a Halo to within a short distance of Earth, maybe the Lagrange point between earth and sun, with either of which being the perfect target. And since they built these 10,000 mile wide death weapons in the first place, they could probably tweak it down to a lower destructive yield; sterilize a star system instead of a galactic quadrant.
It'd be pretty interesting to see how humans and covenant react when put in the same sinking little boat. Do they ally themselves against the Forerunners? Are the Covenant too religiously thick-headed? Are humans too proud? Does anyone actually win the fight?
Bah... I need to drink less coffee. I don't know if any this made any sense, I kinda typed it at warp speed, but before I can think about it I'm just gonna hit the Submit button.
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02-03-2005, 01:38 AM
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Not bad
Not too bad of an idea. But arent the humans and the Elites/Hunters/Grunts already allied after Tartarus and the Brutes try to kill off the Elites and attempt to activate Delta Halo? But anyways your idea is pretty good. I was thinking more along the lines of like at the begining of the game, it shows way back when the Forerunners activated the rings for the first time to prevent the spreading of the flood. And how maybe somehow some of them survived and then did something like in your idea. They should also show how the flood infection started or something like that. Something to think about.
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02-03-2005, 02:10 AM
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I think the surviving Forerunner are the humans. There are just too many similarities to ignore. Why else would the Halos be modeled so obviously after Earth? Same terrain, same atmosphere, same gravity, same flora, even the same birds in some cases! And fairly similar architecture, all things considered. I think we are the Forerunner, and Earth is somehow immune to the effects of Halo (maybe to ensure that something survived the last activation).
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02-03-2005, 02:12 AM
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Oh, and about the Flood, I think they were artificially created. When does evolution make something that utterly devastating without giving it a natural counterpart? I think the Flood were genetically engineered by the Forerunner, and then accidentally (or perhaps maliciously) released, forcing them to activate the Halos.
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02-03-2005, 02:24 AM
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Why?
Your idea makes sense, but why the heck would they have made something as horrible as the flood?!!!! It just seems kind of stupid to make something that could wipe out everyone and make them all screwed up like that. But another thing, what is that Gravemind thing underneath the library in the game? I thought that it was a Flood of some sort, because at the end it is in High Charity with all of the Flood stuff on the walls and he talks to cortana. And when Gravemind has the Master Chief and the Arbiter down in the water, the Aribter says "Kill me or release me parasite, but do not waste my time with talk." Parasite is what the covenant call the flood. I dont really know, but i think that some of those things should be answered in Halo 3.
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02-03-2005, 02:28 AM
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I think Gravemind is the leader of the Flood, and the Forerunner may have created them as a weapon. Just because they're incredibly advanced doesn't mean they're at peace with each other. There could have been warring Forerunner nations (like we've got now), and one of them created the Flood to use against the rest, but it got way out of control, which is why they had the Halos for backup, and they made their planet (Earth) immune, but wiped out all the other Forerunners. They wouldn't want to use Halo because it kills everything, not just their enemies, but in that case they would see it as necessary.
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02-03-2005, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GabbleTwacky
I think the Forerunners ought to show up in Halo 3. It's perfectly plausible that they suffered some dissent among their own ranks when they were preparing to wipe themselves out in an effort to exterminate the Flood. That dissent would have led to a renegade Forerunner faction fleeing the kill zone and hiding out between the stars, hoping to never be found again-- by anyone.
Of course, when the first Halo goes nova, it somehow catches their attention. Likewise with the events in the second game. Massive swaths of space coated in the debris of something with the signature of their weapons.
They decide-- after about 900,000 years of hiding, that they're curious about the goings on.
Who knows? Maybe they decide to just wipe out everyone involved-- humans and Covenant alike-- in the name of Galactic Safety and then return to the interstellar void. Maybe they use agents to plant information on both sides, somehow convincing every last shred of Covenant out there that they need to get to Earthspace for some reason to prevent Humanity from doing something... thereby getting us all in one spot at one time, i.e., Earth, whereupon the Forerunners could transport-- teleport-- whatever-- a Halo to within a short distance of Earth, maybe the Lagrange point between earth and sun, with either of which being the perfect target. And since they built these 10,000 mile wide death weapons in the first place, they could probably tweak it down to lower destructive yield; sterilize a star system instead of galactic quadrant.
It'd be pretty interesting to see how humans and covenant react when put in the same sinking little boat. Do they ally themselves against the Forerunners? Are the Covenant too religiously thick-headed? Are humans too proud? Does anyone actually win the fight?
Bah... I need to drink less coffee. I don't know if any this made any sense, I kinda typed it at warp speed, but before I can think about it I'm just gonna hit the Submit button.
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you may be on to something interesting. i personaly love the halo univerrse but something weird about the second game.. it wasn't boredom really.. it was just well kinda depresing same gloomy, lonely atmospere really gray and monotonous at some points. I think it'd be really cool to be fighting on a halo and see Earth floating above like the first game with Threshold hanging there. It'd let you feel a little more close to hom, remind you what you were figtying for.............. or somethin
and i think if the Forerunner were gonna pick a target it would be the sun. Why blow up th earth if you could aim at a huger targt with more end result. It would be lik having a .44 magnm and deciding to shoot either A a hand grnade or B a crate of nitroglycerin (think i spelled that right)
anyway neat idea
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02-03-2005, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Eagle
Oh, and about the Flood, I think they were artificially created. When does evolution make something that utterly devastating without giving it a natural counterpart? I think the Flood were genetically engineered by the Forerunner, and then accidentally (or perhaps maliciously) released, forcing them to activate the Halos.
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When does evolution screw up and make something "that utterly devastating"? Uhh, gee, how 'bout the literally hundreds of microorganisms, bacterium, viruses, and even on up into the small vertibrate/invertibrate scale that do absolutely nothing but parasitize other living beings? Yes, they certainly could have been genetically engineered, but the simple fact that "oh they're really nasty and gross" doesn't mean in any way that could not have evolved.
The Forerunner didn't engineer The Flood. No one would, I don't care how pissed off a species is at itself. They wouldn't sit down and say "let's make a totally devastating bioweapon to kill the guys across the street... umm, oh yeah and better make a couple moon-diameter death weapons that can sterilize the entire glalxy just in case things go a little haywire."
No, more than likely, the Forerunner just ran into them. And probably lost a great deal of their population to them. So they did what they could; built massive containment facilities (halos) for studying and observation of the flood. And like the bio-research labs we have here on earth that are nuke-wired in case of a containment breach, the halos had their own self-destruct. The reason it would be so huge, wiping out half-galaxies at a time is because the Forerunner knew that if the parasite got ahold of a starship, it wouldn't be long before they figured out how to pilot it away.
The Forerunner simply took no chances.
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02-03-2005, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Eagle
I think the surviving Forerunner are the humans. There are just too many similarities to ignore. Why else would the Halos be modeled so obviously after Earth? Same terrain, same atmosphere, same gravity, same flora, even the same birds in some cases! And fairly similar architecture, all things considered. I think we are the Forerunner, and Earth is somehow immune to the effects of Halo (maybe to ensure that something survived the last activation).
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I, uh, personally don't remember being able to put a tape measure to my TV screen to measure the bone alignment of any birds' feathers in the games to !KNOW! that they are from earth. As far as atmosphere, gravity and terrain-- ever hear of "habitable zones"? Water, sunlight, temperature atmosphere and gravity like we have here on earth are astronomically and universally the ideal conditions for complex life to arise. I'm not pulling this out of my a$$, there are dozens of books written by the best minds on this planet that talk about this.
The Forerunner probably just took these ideal conditions and incorporated them into their Halos. After all, if you're going to study how life gets infected by the flood, you'd first have to let it prosper. Now, I know for a fact that I haven't seen every single Halo the Forerunner built. Maybe there's a desert one. Maybe an all-aquatic life one. Maybe a frozen solid one. If I'm wrong let me know cause if you've seen every Halo out there before the rest of us you certainly are privelaged and I'll just shut up.
Peace!
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02-04-2005, 10:15 PM
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probably
Your probably right, but either way, I woudl just like to see the Forerunners and what they looked like and all. Maybe have a big cut-scene at the begining of the game that is like 30 minutes long that shows way back when the forerunners activated the rings and all of that.
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